Just more right wing wishful thinking! All conjecture and ludicrous extrapolation. Of course, none of these fuckers would even dream of putting a time line on their fantasies! Thank God we've got sensible politicians to steer the country through difficult times!
There will be no civil war. Nobody in the west has the stomach for war. They’ll tolerate North Korea levels of oppression and poverty as long as they can eke out a bit more life as an atheist.
The question is: Can you keep the normal ebb and flow of intergroup tensions from escalating to the "all against all" of total Civil War - at which point you may not be able to use civil force, or military force at all.
What unthinkable? Barring some drastic change somehow, the only thing the Official West will do is continue what it has been doing, surrendering and cucking out with every such instance.
And as far as the "old wine in new bottles" snark, all it seems to me that the "old wine in new bottles" wants to do is to have demographics and migration policies that mean that this sort of possibility isn't a possibility.
Destabilizing society is a hallmark of revolutions. Socialists have been trying to destroy Western civilization for years. They're on the precipice. One thing not mentioned is who gives the orders to law enforcement and the military? These foot soldiers will do as ordered. And at least in the UK it seems as though accommodating Islam and silencing legitimate criticism of it are of great import. Police are turning law-abiding citizens into criminals if they say the wrong thing when speaking the truth about who is doing the raping and stabbing. Lastly, that this is being done intentionally doesn't seem so far-fetched, does it? Look across Europe and the UK. Islamic migrants were imported and leaders were not so naive to think that everyone would just get along. Think long and hard about whonis giving the orders as this Long March Through Institutions reaches its zenith.
The most likely area for potential conflict is between indigenous Euro populations and groups of unassimilable immigrants eg Pakistani rape gangs et al. Those immigrants are the primary source of Swedish bombings, UK knifings, German vehicle attacks etc. Nobody likes them.
If things get difficult within 5 years as Prof Betz expects, those immigrants groups, while fairly large now, will still be in substantial minorities in the countries they live in. In that case, the civil war would be more like a civil massacre, or civil expulsion.
I can't see groups of roving Labour people fighting in the streets with groups of Tories. I can see groups of white people doing that and dealing harshly with groups of black and brown people. It won't be pretty.
I felt such optimism as a young man when the Berlin wall came down and the cold war ended. I never predicted resurgent islam, and the betrayal of Western countries by misguided, corrupt and utterly inept elites.
If Professor Betz is right about our near future, the "Third Force" won't be a "gendarmerie". In those conditions there would be a need for a force that was intermediate between police and army, which had a mixture of police and military powers, and which could do the dirty work that neither the police nor the army could carry out without corrupting their own mission and identity.
So, if it comes to that, the "Third Force" will be a secret police force charged with eliminating threats to the state. Since it would emerge in the context of a democratic state regressing into authoritarianism, it would probably be something like the DINA* in Chile under General Pinochet.
*Not to be confused with the Mexican lorry manufacturer of the same name, although they both had a use for people who were skilled in the use of power tools.
I'm in USA. I like to eat regularly. I don't like being stressed by paranoia.
I've seen everything from months long total infrastructure and transportation failures from hurricanes or seismic "events" to day(s) long power outages from blizzards, ice storms or man made "issues".
Um, emphasizing "stockpiling ammunition and building bunkers"?! Nope. Networking with the neighbors. Planning for food, water, clothing, shelter. Cooperation. Sharing. Get everyone through.
Whatever you see in mass media is whatever it pays the owners of mass media to put out. Ordinary & real world activities aren't what is salable.
There’s not going to be any civil war in the USA. We really don’t have parallel societies. And the only people who hate the police are criminals and the upper middle class.
I’m thinking it’s going to look a lot like the Bronx in the 1970s. Basically a collapse of civilization in localities. Anyone young here might watch “Fort Apache, the Bronx” or the short lived season of “Street Warrior,” where this Fort Apache police officer retells some of his stories (it was taken off as being too unPC).
First. It is simply beyond belief that the EU with a GDP of $19 trillion can’t create a defense against Russia with a GDP of $2 trillion. Far past time for the US to cut those selfish assholes loose to defend themselves. We bailed them out in WW’s One and Two and have paid for their fucking defense since. Enough.
Second. Germany and the UK are well on their way to becoming countries that suppress free speech much like Russia, Iran and China. We in the US must acknowledge this fact and realize that we can no longer be allies with countries that don’t share our love of freedom.
Just more right wing wishful thinking! All conjecture and ludicrous extrapolation. Of course, none of these fuckers would even dream of putting a time line on their fantasies! Thank God we've got sensible politicians to steer the country through difficult times!
There will be no civil war. Nobody in the west has the stomach for war. They’ll tolerate North Korea levels of oppression and poverty as long as they can eke out a bit more life as an atheist.
From here in the US the only crimes being solve by the British police is on the TV.
The question is: Can you keep the normal ebb and flow of intergroup tensions from escalating to the "all against all" of total Civil War - at which point you may not be able to use civil force, or military force at all.
What unthinkable? Barring some drastic change somehow, the only thing the Official West will do is continue what it has been doing, surrendering and cucking out with every such instance.
And as far as the "old wine in new bottles" snark, all it seems to me that the "old wine in new bottles" wants to do is to have demographics and migration policies that mean that this sort of possibility isn't a possibility.
Destabilizing society is a hallmark of revolutions. Socialists have been trying to destroy Western civilization for years. They're on the precipice. One thing not mentioned is who gives the orders to law enforcement and the military? These foot soldiers will do as ordered. And at least in the UK it seems as though accommodating Islam and silencing legitimate criticism of it are of great import. Police are turning law-abiding citizens into criminals if they say the wrong thing when speaking the truth about who is doing the raping and stabbing. Lastly, that this is being done intentionally doesn't seem so far-fetched, does it? Look across Europe and the UK. Islamic migrants were imported and leaders were not so naive to think that everyone would just get along. Think long and hard about whonis giving the orders as this Long March Through Institutions reaches its zenith.
I concur with Prof Betz.
The most likely area for potential conflict is between indigenous Euro populations and groups of unassimilable immigrants eg Pakistani rape gangs et al. Those immigrants are the primary source of Swedish bombings, UK knifings, German vehicle attacks etc. Nobody likes them.
If things get difficult within 5 years as Prof Betz expects, those immigrants groups, while fairly large now, will still be in substantial minorities in the countries they live in. In that case, the civil war would be more like a civil massacre, or civil expulsion.
I can't see groups of roving Labour people fighting in the streets with groups of Tories. I can see groups of white people doing that and dealing harshly with groups of black and brown people. It won't be pretty.
I felt such optimism as a young man when the Berlin wall came down and the cold war ended. I never predicted resurgent islam, and the betrayal of Western countries by misguided, corrupt and utterly inept elites.
Lord Of The Flies
If Professor Betz is right about our near future, the "Third Force" won't be a "gendarmerie". In those conditions there would be a need for a force that was intermediate between police and army, which had a mixture of police and military powers, and which could do the dirty work that neither the police nor the army could carry out without corrupting their own mission and identity.
So, if it comes to that, the "Third Force" will be a secret police force charged with eliminating threats to the state. Since it would emerge in the context of a democratic state regressing into authoritarianism, it would probably be something like the DINA* in Chile under General Pinochet.
*Not to be confused with the Mexican lorry manufacturer of the same name, although they both had a use for people who were skilled in the use of power tools.
This is the most masturbatory shite I’ve ever read, stupider than Curtis Yarvin and that’s saying a lot. Fuck off you weenie cranks.
Sensationalist, dangerous rubbish.
Popcorn-munching from Asiatic safety and waiting for all this to blow over and return for a purified 100% Anglo-Saxon pint
Good luck, good yeomen
I'm in USA. I like to eat regularly. I don't like being stressed by paranoia.
I've seen everything from months long total infrastructure and transportation failures from hurricanes or seismic "events" to day(s) long power outages from blizzards, ice storms or man made "issues".
Um, emphasizing "stockpiling ammunition and building bunkers"?! Nope. Networking with the neighbors. Planning for food, water, clothing, shelter. Cooperation. Sharing. Get everyone through.
Whatever you see in mass media is whatever it pays the owners of mass media to put out. Ordinary & real world activities aren't what is salable.
There’s not going to be any civil war in the USA. We really don’t have parallel societies. And the only people who hate the police are criminals and the upper middle class.
I’m thinking it’s going to look a lot like the Bronx in the 1970s. Basically a collapse of civilization in localities. Anyone young here might watch “Fort Apache, the Bronx” or the short lived season of “Street Warrior,” where this Fort Apache police officer retells some of his stories (it was taken off as being too unPC).
First. It is simply beyond belief that the EU with a GDP of $19 trillion can’t create a defense against Russia with a GDP of $2 trillion. Far past time for the US to cut those selfish assholes loose to defend themselves. We bailed them out in WW’s One and Two and have paid for their fucking defense since. Enough.
Second. Germany and the UK are well on their way to becoming countries that suppress free speech much like Russia, Iran and China. We in the US must acknowledge this fact and realize that we can no longer be allies with countries that don’t share our love of freedom.