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Society evolves. The Police have not. We're deluding ourselves thinking the Police wield real influence as to how society behaves. The Government/Courts decide what tools the Police have and how they should be used. You want me to mend your boiler? Why have you just given me a hammer then?

An example... The Police should take action against those on the march, who by their words or actions demonstrate Anti-Semitism. Let's brief on Anti-Semitism.

The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition (adopted as a 'working definition' by the governments of more than 32 countries, including the US, UK, France, Germany and Canada)

“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.” 11 examples are provided.

Heavy pushback however that the IHRA definition risked conflating legitimate criticism of the Israeli government with Anti-Semitism. The UK Labour party tied itself in knots over whether they should adopt the definition. The situation in UK universities was particularly strained. University College London's academic board declined to adopt it, saying that the IHRA definition could have “potentially deleterious effects on free speech, such as instigating a culture of fear or self-silencing on teaching or research or classroom discussion of contentious topics”. Education Secretary Gavin Williamson made the UK Government's position clear when in 2020 he said, the higher education regulator for England could be asked to take regulatory action including suspending “funding streams” if British universities failed to adopt the IHRA definition by the end of December.

There... sorted. Oh hang on, still a bit of confusion as to whether criticism of the Government of Israel is inherently Anti-Semitic, particularly with regard to Zionism and the 'Palestine situation'. In 2019, the IHRA definition’s lead author, Kenneth Stern, said it “was never intended to be a campus hate speech code” and complained that right wing Jewish groups had weaponized it in the US, thanks to President Trump including 'the definition' in an executive order amending the Civil Rights Act. Cases were being brought which attempted to criminalise speakers, assigned texts and protests, said to violate the definition.

Thought experiment... if we draw up a similar definition regarding racism against black people, should we say that criticism of affirmative action programs is inherently racist? Would that strike you as an attempt to suppress legitimate discussion? That's how the IHRA definition is being used, and this shit show is why we can look at the same incident and argue as to whether there's been Anti-Semitism.

Police shouldn't try to negotiate/interpret the political. It doesn't lend itself to decisive action. Those 'yes but', 'bigger picture' and 'what will 'community groups' say?', Senior Officers have got us to the situation we are in today... We have a simple job, where are the boundaries, enforce the boundaries. Our collective experience and knowledge should be directed entirely to the practical aspects of enforcement, not the political. Don't pick and choose which causes/views have enforcement, there must be equality of outcome, so a supporter of BLM or EDF taking the same actions face the same outcome. We arrest, the courts tell us if we've got it right.

Some might say 'but we avoided an outbreak of disorder'... well whoop y-do to you. Avoiding a negative outcome is easy, look at France's capitulation in WW2. Avoiding a negative is not a positive. Officers on the sharp end are not served well, legitimate protesters see extremists tainting their message, Anti-Semites are emboldened and the general public see an ineffective Police Service. That is not a battle lost in order to win the war, that is just another battle lost.

Having equated senior officers to the Vichy government, I might as well finish with an apposite quote from a Marxist.

He who fights, can lose. He who doesn’t fight, has already lost. – Bertolt Brecht

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Sorry! tidied up and reposted

I resigned from the met 2 months ago after 15 years and am glad I'm not complicit. I'm appalled at what I've seen the last 6 Saturdays. Nothing to do with freedom to protest and everything to do with intimidation. It is an anti-british march and to me is what a Nazi brownshirt rally may have been like in 1930's germany. Last week was the 85th anniversary of Kristallnacht which has passed most people by. Do British Jews now feel like German Jews did? Here, in Britain in the 21st century? A senior Hamas chief living openly in Hendon, with counter terrorism Policing informed in 2020. Political wing proscribed around the same time. Policing has been two tier just as for the BLM disorder, a Rotherham 2.0.

Nothing petrify's the met more then a charge of racism. Met bans an israeli hostage solidarity march through golders green. Happy to wade into a Sarah Everard vigil for the crime of... COVID breaches. Happy to police mean tweets for anything relating to trans issues. I believe met has completely undermined its own policing principles and so their own authority and legitimacy. If met were seen to be doing their job instead of standing by squirming while mobs chanting for the extinction of Israel, there simply would not have been any counter protests this weekend. When these white protesters 'far right'(?) came out, met suddenly remembered how to police, kitted up, batons drawn, 100 plus arrests. Of course 1,000 cops cannot police a crowd of 100,000 and I understand the concept of 'winning by appearing to lose' in public order policing. I've been there, policing JSO slow walks and seeing the look of disgust from the public so not intended to criticise the rank and file. An officer will be served gross misconduct papers for arresting someone for fare evasion these days! I am an Afghan veteran and former SO15 borders officer. I perceive in media, much talk and prominence of XRW, as if somehow equivalent and counter balancing to Islamic extremism. Attacks and the data do not support this. I believe the Met has lost a large section of law abiding majority over this and much else in the last 5 years.

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