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Tristram Hicks's avatar

I was intrigued by the police crowd estimate of ´100,000’. I thought police crowd estimates were not published any more. Has there been a change in policy?

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Mick Messenger.... halcyon days indeed. Some of the quotes I remember from that time, usually delivered before a particularly contentious public order event, 'this is eminently doable' and 'panic slowly'. Mr. Messenger had, if we are using footballing terms an ability to put his foot on the ball and slow the game down. Like the best footballers he always seemed to be several moves ahead of the game. Unlike today we did not have to deal with everyone walking round with a hand-held device that could stream HD pictures instantly around the world, neither did we deal with 24/7 rolling news and batshit crazy commentators to the same extent that the police have to deal with now.

The media and politicians can't ( or more likely won't) understand the complexities behind public order policing. I had about 5 years in when the Scarman Report came out. One of the findings was that keeping the peace is not the same as enforcing the law. You wouldn't get any thanks if you sparked large scale public disorder attempting an arrest for a minor summary only offence.

Charge centres, support staff and just resourcing the event as well the problem of dealing with various iconic locations are part of the 'permanently operating factors' the old Soviet Stavka used to refer to. No matter how much you wish them away you have to deal with them.

Finally we have to deal with the extremely hypocritical British attitude towards the use of force by police. Wear public order kit and one sector of the public will complain that it's too oppressive whilst the other side will complain that not enough force was used, mind you both XLW and XRW will see a simple push as outrageous and proof that the UK police are the most violent in Europe. ( Laughs in CRS and wonders how British demonstrators would cope with the French propensity to go ugly early).

I've got to come back to my idea of fantasy public order - 'Today you will be policed by the German Bereitschaft Polizei who are operating under their rules of engagement and using their own equipment, next week the Royal Marechaussee are coming over from the Netherlands. They have the admirable motto of 'als hop erop aan komt' or 'when it comes down to it'. None of that fancy Greek or Latin for them. As they're Dutch they're big boys and girls and you will no doubt be pleased to know that they water-cannoned 2,400 Dutch environmental protesters off the road in September as well as using water cannon, mounted branch and tear gas on football fans after the Ajax-Feyenoord match. Enjoy'.

On a serious note I do not envy any met senior officer, they have to deal with Suella Braverman who is a genuine dimbulb and Sadiq Khan who is a world class weasel. The job gets closer to being impossible to perform every day.

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