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Jon Martin's avatar

Good proposals.

I’d suggest 15-20% of response officers should be trained to AFO standard (3 week course, vs the 13 week ARVO course) and have sidearms available in a vehicle safe until deployment authorised.

Enhanced pay also. And likewise for ARVOs

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Boris's avatar

This debate was going on when I joined in 1977. It comes around every few years and it is no closer to being resolved now as it was then. Neither the left nor right have articulated clearly what they would do. My opinion is that all the steps the police have taken over the years with regard to firearms and public order have been largely reactive, e.g the adoption (reluctantly) of riot shields in the late 70's and the equally reluctant adoption of riot helmets and coveralls and the introduction of ARV's. Both left and right commentators have accused the policing of 'gearing up to wage war on the public' but being a wibbly victim pays does it not?

Anyone remember the furore when the first officers armed with MP5's appeared at Heathrow? That was in response to a particular threat and the Japanese Red Armed had attacked Vienna airport at the behest of the PLO. It was obvious that an AK47 would outrange a S&W Mod 10. You would have thought the world had ended judging from the papers.

For what it's worth I favour more devolvement of ARV's out to BOCU's (or whatever they're called this week). The main troubles are likely to come with provision of ranges and training areas. Procurement of extra firearms won't be a problem. Glock and H&K would ramp up production quite happily I'm sure.

Response should also be seen as a speciality rather than a punishment but I see trouble ahead for the MPS with inexperienced response officers lead by equally inexperienced supervisors.

It will be a problem to soothe the egos of those in specialised departments with these changes but it can be done. I believe a major problem is that people in specialised departments in the MPS tend to gold plate everything and say 'only we can do this'.

The British Public and the media/political class are squeamish/hypocritical about police use of force. I'm not surprised officers are reluctant to use force when they know they will be subjected to the TMO and an often disproportionate investigation by the IOPC. The IOPC would do well to be acquainted with a quote by an American Sociologist, Egon Bittner who said that many examples of police use of force are a 'twenty foot jump over a five foot ditch', that is a police officer will invariably deal with a threat of difficulty with more force and counter threat than needed. He also said that was how he would react and how anyone acting as a police officer would act as you don't know what you are facing.

Anyhow, the future is looking even more interesting is it not?

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